In this episode of Our Interesting Times, host Tim Kelly chats with Cynthia Chung about her new four-part series on Huxley’s Brave New World and the Dark Roots of the Counterculture.

3 thoughts

  1. Hello Cynthia. I can barely keep up with you and Matthew but thought this anecdote would be of interest.
    Can I first cite with applause two profound statements you made which I have framed and shared … I hope I have transcribed accurately …

    At 27:50
    “As an individual you can’t expect to be fed the truth nowadays so you do have to do work. And you do have to spend some time in researching”

    At 1:32:10
    “Personalities that are aware they are a part of something that is hideously unnatural – the problem is that they cannot think of a winning alternative – that their lack of creativity and their inability to problem solve – and also their lack of faith in anything good.”
    “If you don’t have faith in anything good then ultimately you are going to be subservient to what is in power in the now.”

    To my anecdote:
    At 1:12:00 I know T E Lawrence (of Arabia) was only mentioned briefly but his untimely death [alleged murder – ala George Patton later] represents a pivotal moment in 20th Century history …

    T.E Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) and British Fascists in England [i.e. Mosley et al] didn’t want another World War. Lawrence of Arabia was planning to meet Adolf Hitler in Germany for the purpose of promoting and maintaining peace between Great Britain and Germany. But before he could meet Adolf Hitler, Lawrence was murdered through accident. All of the details are in the video. There may not have been World War 2 if Lawrence of Arabia was able to make peace between Great Britain and Germany and the voices of peace of Mosely et al had prevailed.

    • The Murder Of Lawrence Of Arabia Which Drove To World War 2

    https://ia802700.us.archive.org/3/items/TheMurderOfLawrenceOfArabiaWhichDroveToWorldWar2/The%20Murder%20of%20Lawrence%20of%20Arabia%20which%20drove%20to%20World%20War%202.ogv

    Transcript:
    “On March 24, 1933, Jews worldwide declared war on Germany [see source footnote 1] and Jews [London-based Jewish bankers] were trying to create another World War against Germany.
    T. E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) had ben planning to see his friend Henry Williamson, who was facilitating a meeting between Lawrence and Adolf Hitler. Lawrence, like other veterans of World War I, abhorred the idea of yet another war in Europe, and, like Moseley (leader of British Union of Fascists) and Williamson, saw dialogue with Hitler as a necessary first step to preventing it. In 1935, Lawrence was still a national hero. Moseley advanced peace, but there was an active war lobby in England.
    “The new age must begin … Hitler and Lawrence must meet …” wrote Henry Williamson.
    Lawrence had been out of uniform for barely a month when press reports besieged his cottage Clouds Hill Dorset in order to ask questions about the future meeting between Lawrence and Hitler. Lawrence avoided awkward questions by leaving his abode and touring the West Country, but not before the press had physically attacked his cottage, throwing rocks at the roof and smashing the tiles. Lawrence had to use his fists on one man. Then the police brought in day and night protection.
    On 13 May 1935, Lawrence wheeled out his massive Brough Superior motorcycle for the last time and rode down to Bovington camp to send a telegram in reply to a letter received that morning from Henry Williamson, proposing the vital meeting with Adolf Hitler. The telegram of agreement was dispatched and then on the way back the accident happened.
    Lawrence was just 200 yards from the cottage. At least four witnesses saw it: two delivery boys on bicycles, an army corporal walking in the field by the road and the occupants of a black van heading towards Lawrence. After the crash the black van raced off down the road and the corporal ran over to the injured man who lay on the road with his face covered in blood.
    Almost immediately an army truck came along and Lawrence was put inside and taken to the camp hospital where a top security guard imposed. Special “D” notices were put on all newspapers and the War Office took charge of all communications. Police from Special Branch sat by the bedside and guarded the door. No visitors were allowed. The cottage was raided and “turned over”, many books and private papers were confiscated. Army intelligence interrogated the two boys for several hours.
    The corporal was instructed not to mention the van as being involved in the accident. Six days later Lawrence died and two days later an inquest was held under top security which lasted only two hours. The boys denied ever seeing a black van which contradicted the statement by the army corporal who was the principal witness. But no attempts were made to trace the vehicle and the just gave a verdict of “accidental death”. He was buried that same afternoon.
    The name of the corporal who witnessed the accident was Catchpole. Another extremely suspicious incident was Catchpole (principal witness) conveniently, killed himself shortly after testifying about the black van. Dorset historian Rodney Legg and Lawrence biographer Desmond Stewart both believe that Lawrence was assassinated.
    Sources:
    1. Daily Express headline “Judea Declares War on Germany: (March 24, 1933).
    2. “We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany” – David A Brown, National Chairman, United Jewish Campaign 1934, quoted in “I Testify Against The Jews” by Robert Edward Edmonton. Page 188, and “The Jewish War of Survival” by Arnold Leese, the page 52.
    3. https://www.criminalelement.com/the-murder-of-lawrence-of-arabia-tony-hays/
    4. Article “The Enigma of [Thomas Edward] Lawrence” by Desmond Hanses published in ‘The Journal for Historical Review’, Fall 1981, volume 2 number 3, page 283.

  2. Hello Cynthia. I can barely keep up with you and Matthew but thought this anecdote would be of interest.
    Can I first cite with applause two profound statements you made which I have framed and shared … I hope I have transcribed accurately …

    At 27:50
    “As an individual you can’t expect to be fed the truth nowadays so you do have to do work. And you do have to spend some time in researching”

    At 1:32:10
    “Personalities that are aware they are a part of something that is hideously unnatural – the problem is that they cannot think of a winning alternative – that their lack of creativity and their inability to problem solve – and also their lack of faith in anything good.”
    “If you don’t have faith in anything good then ultimately you are going to be subservient to what is in power in the now.”

    To my anecdote:
    At 1:12:00 I know T E Lawrence (of Arabia) was only mentioned briefly but his untimely death [alleged murder – ala George Patton later] represents a pivotal moment in 20th Century history …

    T.E Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) and British Fascists in England [i.e. Mosley et al] didn’t want another World War. Lawrence of Arabia was planning to meet Adolf Hitler in Germany for the purpose of promoting and maintaining peace between Great Britain and Germany. But before he could meet Adolf Hitler, Lawrence was murdered through accident. All of the details are in the video. There may not have been World War 2 if Lawrence of Arabia was able to make peace between Great Britain and Germany and the voices of peace of Mosely et al had prevailed.

    • The Murder Of Lawrence Of Arabia Which Drove To World War 2

    [URL link removed but you should be able to search for this 2:19 video]

    Transcript:
    “On March 24, 1933, Jews worldwide declared war on Germany [see source footnote 1] and Jews [London-based Jewish bankers] were trying to create another World War against Germany.
    T. E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) had ben planning to see his friend Henry Williamson, who was facilitating a meeting between Lawrence and Adolf Hitler. Lawrence, like other veterans of World War I, abhorred the idea of yet another war in Europe, and, like Moseley (leader of British Union of Fascists) and Williamson, saw dialogue with Hitler as a necessary first step to preventing it. In 1935, Lawrence was still a national hero. Moseley advanced peace, but there was an active war lobby in England.
    “The new age must begin … Hitler and Lawrence must meet …” wrote Henry Williamson.
    Lawrence had been out of uniform for barely a month when press reports besieged his cottage Clouds Hill Dorset in order to ask questions about the future meeting between Lawrence and Hitler. Lawrence avoided awkward questions by leaving his abode and touring the West Country, but not before the press had physically attacked his cottage, throwing rocks at the roof and smashing the tiles. Lawrence had to use his fists on one man. Then the police brought in day and night protection.
    On 13 May 1935, Lawrence wheeled out his massive Brough Superior motorcycle for the last time and rode down to Bovington camp to send a telegram in reply to a letter received that morning from Henry Williamson, proposing the vital meeting with Adolf Hitler. The telegram of agreement was dispatched and then on the way back the accident happened.
    Lawrence was just 200 yards from the cottage. At least four witnesses saw it: two delivery boys on bicycles, an army corporal walking in the field by the road and the occupants of a black van heading towards Lawrence. After the crash the black van raced off down the road and the corporal ran over to the injured man who lay on the road with his face covered in blood.
    Almost immediately an army truck came along and Lawrence was put inside and taken to the camp hospital where a top security guard imposed. Special “D” notices were put on all newspapers and the War Office took charge of all communications. Police from Special Branch sat by the bedside and guarded the door. No visitors were allowed. The cottage was raided and “turned over”, many books and private papers were confiscated. Army intelligence interrogated the two boys for several hours.
    The corporal was instructed not to mention the van as being involved in the accident. Six days later Lawrence died and two days later an inquest was held under top security which lasted only two hours. The boys denied ever seeing a black van which contradicted the statement by the army corporal who was the principal witness. But no attempts were made to trace the vehicle and the just gave a verdict of “accidental death”. He was buried that same afternoon.
    The name of the corporal who witnessed the accident was Catchpole. Another extremely suspicious incident was Catchpole (principal witness) conveniently, killed himself shortly after testifying about the black van. Dorset historian Rodney Legg and Lawrence biographer Desmond Stewart both believe that Lawrence was assassinated.
    Sources:
    1. Daily Express headline “Judea Declares War on Germany: (March 24, 1933).
    2. “We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany” – David A Brown, National Chairman, United Jewish Campaign 1934, quoted in “I Testify Against The Jews” by Robert Edward Edmonton. Page 188, and “The Jewish War of Survival” by Arnold Leese, the page 52.
    3. https://www.criminalelement.com/the-murder-of-lawrence-of-arabia-tony-hays/
    4. Article “The Enigma of [Thomas Edward] Lawrence” by Desmond Hanses published in ‘The Journal for Historical Review’, Fall 1981, volume 2 number 3, page 283.

  3. I’m sorry, but this podcast is a narrative mess. It’s just a whole bunch of names thrown together with an implied assumption that these characters were all on the same page conspiring to corrupt humanity. This chapter in 20th century history is so important. In order to understand it we need analytical rigor, not a game of guilt by association involving six degrees of separation. You can’t take what a character in a novel says and conclude that it must be the opinion of the author, that intellectual laziness.

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